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Message 790 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 9:11:41 UTC

The badge consists of one to five stars depending on the number of applications for which you have returned data.


  • 20 applications : 1 star
  • 40 applications : 2 stars
  • 60 applications : 3 stars
  • 80 applications : 4 stars
  • 100 applications: 5 stars


Each star can be of six different colors depending on the running time of each application.


  • 100 hours : Bronze
  • 250 hours : Silver
  • 500 hours : Gold
  • 1000 hours: Ruby
  • 2500 hours: Emerald
  • 5000 hours: Sapphire


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Message 791 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 9:25:25 UTC

Applications from the WUProp Project ? or Applications from other Projects is the question ??
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Message 792 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 9:33:17 UTC

Applications from other projects.
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Message 793 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 10:10:33 UTC

So those of us who may never get to 20 applications will never get badges. 100 applications, is there even that many in all the different BOINC projects? Oh well, I am on a mission for quality, not quantity.

Thank you for changing the Reported Data on the user account page. It makes more sense now.

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Message 794 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 10:32:56 UTC - in response to Message 793.

100 applications, is there even that many in all the different BOINC projects?


I've got Credits in 93 projects, and that's because I usually skip imho pure math brain wanking like primes and such. The cruncher with most projects in the stats has 134 in the list.
Quite a lot of them have more than one app running, in WCG alone I've got badges for 15 apps, and further 4 with too little crunch time for their badge, but more than 100h crunching. Prime-Grid has as well about a dozen apps in parallel, yoyo 6.
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Message 795 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 11:11:14 UTC
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I've got Credits in 123 Different Projects but it meaningless since you have to start all over to get the Badges. Well I'm not going to Bog my Computers down with 100 different Projects just to get some Badge, especially since we have to start all over from scratch since the Badges aren't retroactive. I've probably run enough Projects since WUProp started to get some sort of Badge but now we/I have to do it all over again ... O-o
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Message 796 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 11:27:40 UTC - in response to Message 795.

I've got Credits in 123 Different Projects but it meaningless since you have to start all over to get the Badges.

Show me any project, that introduced badges retroactive. Or, better, show me any project that had the necessary information to give badges retroactive for certain apps.

It's a pity, but it's nothing that could be done anything about.
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Message 797 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 11:29:43 UTC

The Stars are for the number of Applications, so as Saenger surmised, running Albert or Einstein will give you at least 3 applications each, WCG will give you over 15, YOYO another 6 applications, etc.

So it will be easy to get over 40 applications.

This is not 40 Projects but the applications that they run.

Then the time you spend running each application will determine what colour you will get for that Star.

I already have 2 Gold apps, 2 Silver apps and 4 Bronze apps.

As I have not gotten to 20 different applications, I don't yet have a Star.

I will get there if I can stop my Windows Anti-Virus from blocking each new WUProp application update.

I know a lot of people don't run a lot of projects (therefore not a lot of different applications), but if you do then there are badges for you to earn.

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Message 798 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 11:48:26 UTC - in response to Message 796.

I believe PrimeGrid & WCG both did but could be mistaken. Once the Badges were introduced at both Projects I had the Badges if I had the Credit to earn them. PrimeGrid I'm almost sure of since I was in on that Project from the start & there were no Badges for quit awhile but the Credit I earned in the sub projects went towards the Badges once they were announced ...

Another recent one was Asteroids, I already had Credit earned when they announced the Badges & that Credit went along with additional Credit I earned after the Badges were announced until I had enough to get the Badge ...
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Message 799 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 18:40:21 UTC - in response to Message 790.

The badge consists of one to five stars depending on the number of applications for which you have returned data.

  • 20 applications : 1 star
    ...


You have to consider extending the meaning of 'Application' with the version number/platform/device.
After all you get (different) info from the same user for the same 'Application' but run on different hosts/devices (different OSes, CPUs, GPUs)

So you get info for the same 'Application' run by Windows or Linux or Mac OS executable, 32 or 64 bit (every one of these executables is different, with different performance. And you get info about that).
The same 'Application' (in BOINC terms) can be run (by different executables) on ATI or NVIDIA GPUs (again you get different info/numbers about that)

e.g. on host with CPU + ATI GPU + NVIDIA GPU the same 'Application' by the generic name "SETI@home Enhanced" have different versions with very different parameters (different returned numbers for used RAM, Run time, etc.)


So my proposal is to distinguish and recognize as different 'Applications' e.g. these:
SETI@home Enhanced:
Windows/x86 6.03
Windows/x86 6.08 (cuda)
Windows/x86 6.10 (cuda_fermi)
Linux/x86 6.03
Linux/x86_64 5.28
Mac OS/X 10.3+ 6.05

AstroPulse v6:
Windows/x86 6.01
Windows/x86 6.04 (ati_opencl_100)
Windows/x86 6.04 (cuda_opencl_100)
Mac OS/X 10.3+ 6.02
Linux/x86_64 6.03

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php


And count++ the same 'Application' run on different computers (if they have different OSes, CPUs, GPUs)
(for people that return info from many hosts using wide range of devices/'real apps (executables)')

(In this current manner one user with one computer running 20 projects only on one CPU is more 'important' (badge-wise) than user with 50 very different computers returning widely different info but for a few 'Applications')


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Message 800 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 20:55:32 UTC
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ibercivis alone has 32 apps to choose from. So, if you support more then one project it will not be difficult to get to 20.

I like that it is based on something other then points. This is a nice shift. WCG, OProject, now WUProp. Retroactive is only simple if the database kept track of the data from the beginning. A point based badge that only has one badge progression like Asteroids and enigma is very easy to do. One that gives badges to individual apps is not so simple unless you saved all of that data from the beginning.

Be grateful we now have badges or just don't focus on it. Were you unhappy running this project before badges were considered? If not, don't complain. This is just an added feature.

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Message 801 - Posted: 26 Jan 2013, 21:18:35 UTC - in response to Message 800.


I like that it is based on something other then points. This is a nice shift.

[much snippage]

Be grateful we now have badges or just don't focus on it. Were you unhappy running this project before badges were considered? If not, don't complain. This is just an added feature.


Concur. I've done as much 'badging' as I want to for now, and I've done as many milestones as I want to do.

I *do* like badges, but I see them as a bonus rather than a target. I'll never get a badge here, and I don't care :)

I can see why crunchers are obsessed by credit, rank, milesone, badges etc and that's fine. Any inducement is good for a project, and long may the crunchers chase them!

I would just say that Sebastien's sig project is awesome. He's done a lot of work to make the sigs and site so slick, so it's only fair that he gets to play with his own badge :)

Cheers,

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Message 802 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 5:38:18 UTC

Thank you for adding the badges to our posts. I also like that you change the color of the font in the totals list under our accounts.

Now if you could add the badges under the list of team members, that would be great.

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Message 804 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 21:28:24 UTC

What are the badge requirements? How many hours to get one?

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Message 805 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 21:56:02 UTC
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The link is on the front page:

http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/badges.php


And thanks for adding them to the teams list.

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Message 809 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 22:12:23 UTC

From what I can see even if you have 20 or more applications and have a number of them with over 100 hours processing, that won't get you a Badge or a Star.

You appear to have to get ALL 20 applications over the 100 hours mark to get a Bronze Star and therefore a Badge.

So I am working on getting 20 applications from a number of projects up to at least 100 hours so I can get my first Badge.
I hadn't plan to do this but will for the first Badge just so I have one.

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Message 812 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 1:25:55 UTC

Yes Conan...each app needs 100 hours not a total of 100 hours divided by the 20 apps. It's really not that difficult to obtain if you support multiple projects. I find this as a nice reward to those who continue to contribute to a lot of projects.

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Message 813 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 3:07:37 UTC

Yes, please define "application".

If project Fu changes their app from 1.23 to 1.24, and I ran both, does that count as two apps?

If project Fu has a linux and a windows app, and I ran both, does that count as two apps?

If project Fu has a windows 32 bit app and a windows 64 bit app, and I ran both, does that count as two apps?

I am sure all of this is already defined in the badge award logic, I would just like to know what it is.
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Message 814 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 9:02:45 UTC - in response to Message 813.

While I generally like the idea of badges, in this case it encourages people to run crap projects and isn't applied retrospectively. I only crunch one project at yoyo, because the others are nonsense. I'm not going to start crunching maths projects because of this, but others will. As this isn't retro it presents a disproportionate view of the work crunchers have done for various projects over many years.

Reported data
Project Application Running time (hours)
pogs fitsedwrapper 1,318.98
Docking Charmm 34a2 1,000.23
Poem@Home POEM++ OpenCL version 926.60
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 534.22
World Community Grid Computing for Clean Water 216.97
World Community Grid Say No to Schistosoma 212.82
Asteroids@home Period Search Application 208.02
Albert@Home Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo) 161.95
World Community Grid Drug Search for Leishmaniasis 151.52
World Community Grid GO Fight Against Malaria 109.42
GPUGRID Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card) 97.32
Donate@Home test alpha. Required: Internet connection, allow in antivirus, not for XP 92.05
World Community Grid Help Fight Childhood Cancer 89.90
boincsimap BOINCSIMAP simap application 80.10
World Community Grid Help Conquer Cancer 51.93
MindModeling@Beta ACT-R cognitive modeling environment leveraging Clozure Common Lisp 42.28
Rioja Science Triatomic quasiclassical trajectory calculation S2 38.95
yoyo@home evolution@home 34.75
Milkyway@Home MilkyWay@Home 6.75

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Message 815 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 9:04:40 UTC - in response to Message 814.
Last modified: 29 Jan 2013, 9:48:36 UTC

So, did this cause my system to crash, or error because it crashed?

Task 23292706

Name wu_v3_1358512122_406119_0
Workunit 22904302
Created 29 Jan 2013 0:17:51 UTC
Sent 29 Jan 2013 0:20:10 UTC
Received 29 Jan 2013 8:39:08 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Computation error
Client state Compute error
Exit status -2147483645 (0xffffffff80000003)
Computer ID 31981
Report deadline 3 Feb 2013 0:20:10 UTC
Run time 3,780.54
CPU time 0.67
Validate state Invalid
Credit 0.00
Application version Data collect version 3 v3.40 (nci)
Stderr output

<core_client_version>7.0.28</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
One or more arguments are invalid (0x80000003) - exit code -2147483645 (0x80000003)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
00:20:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
00:24:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
00:24:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
00:24:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
00:24:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu en cours d'upload) 4
00:25:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
00:25:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu en cours d'upload) 4
00:26:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu en cours d'upload) 4
00:27:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu en cours d'upload) 4
00:28:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
01:00:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
01:00:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
01:00:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
01:00:31 (2732): Erreur wu_terminee (wu deja reportee)
ERROR: Invalid parameter detected in function (null). File: (null) Line: 0
ERROR: Expression: (null)


Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Breakpoint Encountered (0x80000003) at address 0x76943219

Engaging BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger...



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BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger Version 6.12.34


Dump Timestamp : 01/29/13 08:34:17
Install Directory :
Data Directory : F:\Boinc
Project Symstore :
LoadLibraryA( F:\Boinc\dbghelp.dll ): GetLastError = 126
Loaded Library : dbghelp.dll
LoadLibraryA( F:\Boinc\symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( F:\Boinc\srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( F:\Boinc\version.dll ): GetLastError = 126
Loaded Library : version.dll
Debugger Engine : 4.0.5.0
Symbol Search Path: F:\Boinc\slots\5;F:\Boinc\projects\wuprop.boinc-af.org

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