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Message 980 - Posted: 1 Mar 2013, 13:37:06 UTC
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I just noticed a new Feature on my Account Page, it's called Pending (Hours), neat feature IMO ... :)
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Message 982 - Posted: 1 Mar 2013, 14:07:21 UTC

Interesting! I wonder how that is calculated.
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Message 983 - Posted: 1 Mar 2013, 14:25:35 UTC

IMO "pending" here is sum of runtime of started but not finished wu's on your computers at the moment the last wuprop wu was finished at this computer

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Message 984 - Posted: 1 Mar 2013, 14:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 983.

IMO "pending" here is sum of runtime of started but not finished wu's on your computers at the moment the last wuprop wu was finished at this computer


Ditto .. It's about the only thing it could be, it shows 1,371.62 Pending Hr's for me on the RNA World Project & that's looks like the amount of Hr's I've got on the Computer for running RNA Wu's ...
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Message 985 - Posted: 1 Mar 2013, 15:10:03 UTC - in response to Message 984.

Yes, it's the amount of time that an app has already run for, where it has not yet been reported. This is calculated by tallying totals from previously returned WUProp apps, and doesn't include what is presently being run AFAICT.

I've just checked this against some climate models I'm running:
climateprediction.net UK Met Office Coupled Model Full Resolution Ocean 27.32 629.98
My total run time is presently around 635, so that adds up to the last WUProp WU I returned from that system. The 27.32h was from a previous run on a different system, which failed after 27.32h.

A good addition. It might allow you to see new apps that you are crunching for even before you report any WU's.
It's definitely useful for projects that you contribute heavily towards and long projects with WU's.

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Message 987 - Posted: 1 Mar 2013, 23:30:24 UTC
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Interesting to say the least.

I noticed that my Physicsathome app "Rendering nano xx" dropped in time from 11.78 hours to 8.83 hours (I have had trouble getting enough work units so have not had a lot of work).

Other than that one it even shows a SLinCA work unit type I have yet to report (a Z34 which I haven't started as yet).

Like STEVE I have RNA World pending showing, mine is 524 hours which is how much I probably have done so far as I still have an estimated 3,100 hours to go on a couple of very long ones (that should get me to Emerald).

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Message 1046 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 22:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 987.
Last modified: 12 Mar 2013, 22:42:39 UTC

Pending (hours) isn't adding up!

Earlier today:
Total credit 382,632
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,810.38 219.23

Slightly Later today:
Total credit 382,702
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,816.72 140.63 (Lost at least 73h)

Later again:
Total credit 382,800
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,827.23 170.43

A few minutes ago:
Total credit 382,842
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,852.33 157.03 (3827+170>3852)
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Message 1047 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 23:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 1046.

Pending (hours) isn't adding up!

Earlier today:
Total credit 382,632
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,810.38 219.23

Slightly Later today:
Total credit 382,702
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,816.72 140.63 (Lost at least 73h)

Later again:
Total credit 382,800
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,827.23 170.43

A few minutes ago:
Total credit 382,842
FreeHAL@home FreeHAL 2012 app 3,852.33 157.03 (3827+170>3852)


I have found that it keeps varying. I think it often changes with how the computers you have report.
My RNA World can go from 600 or so hours pending (which is just the one computer) to over 1,000 (when both computers are added together). I don't worry about it too much.
At least it does show your pending hours to a reasonable accuracy and can help when you want to stop running one projects app once it reaches, say, Gold, and start on another projects app to get it to bronze.
By counting the pending you can stop early and switch to the other app, as you know you have enough WUs running to get to Gold without waiting till you actually get there before switching.

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Message 1048 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 0:05:35 UTC - in response to Message 1047.
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Hi Conan, I'm not far off 5K, which is the highest app milestone here, so that's not a concern; I'll get there soon enough. While we might want to switch other apps Hal is NCI, so that's not an issue either. My point isn't necessarily about HAL; it's the concept - you would think that the Run Time Total + Pending Total could only increase. Instead, I've seen a fairly substantial decrease of 73h between two checks only hours apart. While the Run Time Total didn't fall the combined Run Time Total + Pending Total did fall, and hasn't recovered; RTT+P is now < RTT+P earlier. So, what's the point in having Pending Credit if you aren't going to get it, and on what criteria does Pending Validate? At HAL I only have 5 tasks in progress and none pending, though they do clear the database quickly. Something seems amiss. This might be a WUProp issue or perhaps some tasks just didn't report in time or were server aborted? That said, you would think you would still get credit here; aborted/crashed/not_reported_in_time... you still spent the time running the WU's.

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Message 1049 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 0:54:52 UTC - in response to Message 1048.

I have noticed that the Pending hours seem to vanish fairly soon after the wuprop task reports from a computer that has completed and reported it's task but the Running time hours can take a while to increment. This means for a time it would look like hours had vanished.

I have not paid close enough attention to the actual hours to know if my totals are correctly increasing by the vanished pendings but they are increasing at reasonable rates based on what I am running.
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Message 1051 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 14:26:46 UTC
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This is what I don't understand, I had over 4000 Hr's some Hr's ago on the ciencia-em-sua-casa Mr.Wilson App, I should have 4200-4300 by now if not more but now I only have 3,975.02 Hr's & 82.97 Pending, what the heck happened to the Hr's over 4000 that I had ... 0_o
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Message 1054 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 17:10:19 UTC - in response to Message 1051.

A few hours ago:
climateprediction.net UK Met Office Coupled Model Full Resolution Ocean 643.00 380.32

Now:
climateprediction.net UK Met Office Coupled Model Full Resolution Ocean 643.00 0.00

I have one model with 194h CPU time and 49h remaining.
The other has completed 188h and has an estimated 59h remaining.
Pending (h) should have moved to 382 rather than 0.00.
They are still running, so there wasn't a hiccup.

I guess there could be a db glitch or perhaps there is some sort of timeout and reset after so many hours/days Pending.
Maybe Pending should just be seen as a rough guide to how much work is unreported and what extra you might expect but only for some projects?

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3,810.38 219.23 - yesterday morning
3,816.72 140.63 -
3,827.23 170.43 -
3,852.33 157.03 - yesterday evening
3,891.57 308.97 - now

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Message 1055 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 18:08:00 UTC

There was a bug. Some pending hours was deleted by error.
Everything should be back to normal as soon as each host has returned a workunint.
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Message 1056 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 19:43:22 UTC - in response to Message 1055.

Thanks for debugging, the pending hours are back :)
climateprediction.net UK Met Office Coupled Model Full Resolution Ocean 643.00 385.37

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Message 1060 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 20:17:41 UTC
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I have started up a dual core host and it is running Asteroids only. I have just completed my first wuprop but my pending is showing only 3 hours not 6. Is there still a bug?
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Message 1061 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 20:25:39 UTC

Each time the WUProp Wu reports it will Update the Hr's up to that Point, then you will have to wait for the WUProp Wu to report again to report the Hr's since the last time it reported so it's not real Time your seeing here at the Project ...
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Message 1070 - Posted: 17 Mar 2013, 5:24:59 UTC - in response to Message 1055.

There was a bug. Some pending hours was deleted by error.
Everything should be back to normal as soon as each host has returned a workunint.


There still may be a problem, I have this App "SLinCA@Home heavy_lodci011eq32v0p125T1XZ40 - MIN:runtime~32h(checkpoint 2h),RAM~1GB,HDD~60MB 15.00 14.98 which the WUProp reported back 15 Min's or so ago that only shows 14.98 Pending Credits but when I look at the Box there are over 115 Hr's Pending Credit for that App ???

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Message 1079 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 13:49:29 UTC

Still have the same Problem with the same App's Pending Hr's on the same Computer, actually the only Computer I'm running the App on right now until I get some sort of idea what's really happening.

SLinCA@Home heavy_lodci011eq32v0p125T1XZ40 - MIN:runtime~32h(checkpoint 2h),RAM~1GB,HDD~60MB 15.05 20.95

The WUProp Wu turned it's self in about 15 Min's ago showing only 20.95 Hr's Pending when in fact there's close to 200 Hr's run time on 8 Wu's for this App on the Box. It's been like this ever since I started running the App early yesterday. The Pending Hr's are way off on it & it's almost like it's counting it as a MT Wu. I checked at the SLinCA Project & don't see anything that say'[s it's MT Wu so I have no Idea what's going on with it.

All 8 Wu's are at about 95% Done & should finish in the next 3-4 Hr's I think & then I will have to wait for the WUProp Wu to report to see what kind of actual Hr's get reported for the XZ40 Wu's, should be over 200 Hr's but ???
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Message 1080 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 16:44:51 UTC

Okay the Wu's did Report a little bit ago & now show:

SLinCA@Home heavy_lodci011eq32v0p125T1XZ40 - MIN:runtime~32h(checkpoint 2h),RAM~1GB,HDD~60MB 213.48 0.00

So I did get close to 200 Hr's even though the WUProp Wu kept reporting way under that amount ... :)
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Message 1180 - Posted: 30 Apr 2013, 4:22:37 UTC

I am currently running a large application WUs on 20 different cores. They have been running over 10 hours on each core, which should equate to somewhere near 200 hours as I can see (minus the time of the current WuProp units in flight). Even at 5 computers if I take that 200 - 15 I still should show somewhere near 180 hours, yet I only show 40 hours crunched. Can this please be explained?

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