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Message 7552 - Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 19:06:38 UTC - in response to Message 7549.

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Another batch of tasks - native_upperCASE & wrapper_gromacs

I hope the hours worked will be included in the statistics ;o)

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Message 7553 - Posted: 20 Nov 2020, 16:15:39 UTC

I managed to get all of 3 tasks, 1 gromacs and 2 uppercase.

the gromacs and 1 uppercase task errored out, the other completed and validated. All in all though 42 seconds worth of cpu time ;)

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Message 7554 - Posted: 20 Nov 2020, 17:20:28 UTC - in response to Message 7553.
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uppercase - standard application from the test suite, a few seconds

worker - also a test for the wrapper, by default 10 seconds, but can be changed in the command line

gromacs - real application, package installation is required (no loading with a task),
multithreaded but app_config is required to reserve all cores, several hours of cpu time

there is no validator for these test tasks, they may simply be removed from the server :-(


docker has not yet come across among the tasks, it will probably be the main working application
I wonder if it will be available for regular users or only for CloudTides

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Message 7555 - Posted: 20 Nov 2020, 18:21:00 UTC

some news about projects

Gerasim@home received new server hardware and optimized applications.
if the server does not give more than 8 tasks per day - check project preferences

TBEG project unfortunately got stuck on a similar server reorganization procedure

DENIS@Home the server is being reinstalled from scratch for a new project,
they promised to keep statistics

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Message 7577 - Posted: 29 Nov 2020, 0:24:13 UTC

new app Wieferich and Wall-Sun-Sun at PrimeGrid!

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Message 7578 - Posted: 29 Nov 2020, 1:15:23 UTC - in response to Message 7577.

new app Wieferich and Wall-Sun-Sun at PrimeGrid!


There are both GPU and CPU apps available, and the CPU app is multithreaded. Hyperthreading as well as multi-threading is recommended for the CPU app. So feel free to chew up hours any way you want.

The Mac GPU app currently causes a lot of screen lag, but there's a fix in the pipeline.
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Message 7588 - Posted: 1 Dec 2020, 9:33:48 UTC

the new version of the "Genefer 16-20" application is tested in the project CompositeGrid

as long as it's not in the statistics :(

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Message 7590 - Posted: 2 Dec 2020, 18:57:20 UTC
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new app Test of CurieDock on BOINC at SiDockTest

CPU only on windows and mac so far

I have a few hours in already

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Message 7591 - Posted: 2 Dec 2020, 19:15:28 UTC

Are Composite apps not reported here in wuprop?

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Message 7592 - Posted: 2 Dec 2020, 19:20:12 UTC - in response to Message 7591.

Are Composite apps not reported here in wuprop?


Mine are for hours:
CompositeGrid Wieferich and Wall-Sun-Sun 16.63 0.00

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Message 7593 - Posted: 2 Dec 2020, 20:35:34 UTC

CompositeGrid apps aren't supposed to be here afaik
The admins want the site to be used for occasional testing
Not folks racking up massive amounts of hours

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Message 7594 - Posted: 3 Dec 2020, 0:05:04 UTC - in response to Message 7593.

CompositeGrid apps aren't supposed to be here afaik
The admins want the site to be used for occasional testing
Not folks racking up massive amounts of hours


Doesn't that equal the same thing? The more hours we get the more testing they get. If they don't want people racking up the hours stop making tasks available when you don't need the results.

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Message 7595 - Posted: 3 Dec 2020, 7:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 7593.

CompositeGrid apps aren't supposed to be here afaik
The admins want the site to be used for occasional testing
Not folks racking up massive amounts of hours

Yup, it was this old thread, initially started by Michael Goetz to remove CompositeGrid from the stats here. All people, which had collected hours until then, got their hours deleted (me too).
To see the project and the apps from it back again at new users here is somehow a punch in the face of all of them - to be honest, it makes me even more upset as I was as my hours were deleted.
Not only that Michael Goetz somehow is/was very inconsequent with handling CompositeGrid (I remember reading somewhere that only invited users can/should use CompositeGrid but obviously everyone can enter it because its part of PrimeGrid), also Sebastien here from WUProp doesn't seem to care about locking CompositeGrid out of the stats completetely.
That's just my 2 cent about it...
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Message 7596 - Posted: 3 Dec 2020, 8:26:52 UTC - in response to Message 7595.

yes, all previously accumulated statistics were removed, and this caused disappointment.

now a new team of admins uses the project to launch only new versions of applications - WW, LLR2 (test and real tasks) and right now Genefer
It was these new applications that started to get back into the statistics, except for the last launch...

CompositGrid is not the only test version of the main project - different prefixes alpha/beta/test/devel
It makes no sense to make this exception

By the way SiDock@home [test] - new application is not yet visible here ;o)

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Message 7598 - Posted: 3 Dec 2020, 17:31:48 UTC - in response to Message 7595.
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CompositeGrid apps aren't supposed to be here afaik
The admins want the site to be used for occasional testing
Not folks racking up massive amounts of hours

Yup, it was this old thread, initially started by Michael Goetz to remove CompositeGrid from the stats here. All people, which had collected hours until then, got their hours deleted (me too).
To see the project and the apps from it back again at new users here is somehow a punch in the face of all of them - to be honest, it makes me even more upset as I was as my hours were deleted.
Not only that Michael Goetz somehow is/was very inconsequent with handling CompositeGrid (I remember reading somewhere that only invited users can/should use CompositeGrid but obviously everyone can enter it because its part of PrimeGrid), also Sebastien here from WUProp doesn't seem to care about locking CompositeGrid out of the stats completetely.
That's just my 2 cent about it...


It's a very small server and generally can't handle large workloads, nor is it normally set up with a continuous flow of work. Typically we'll generate 5 or 10 tasks and ask users to try running them and tell us how it worked.

The problem with random, unaffiliated, users coming in en-masse is that we don't get any feedback. Just running the tasks doesn't help us any; we need to hear from you about your experience. Sometimes the output in the task is good enough, but often we want *your* feedback, not just the app's. The app can't tell us if it's causing screen lag, for example.

That being said, I totally agree with your half-in/half-out position. Not knowing whether the hours are going to count doesn't help anybody.

FWIW, the most recent test of a new CPU version off the Genefer app was set up for continuous testing in case anybody here wanted to try running up some hours. It's just GFN, it's just CPU, and it's only on GFN 16 thorough GFN 20. The preferences page lists all the projects, and while you can select other projects, these are the only active ones.

I don't know how long the server will be left on, but it's on for now. Please let us know if something doesn't work!

I have no knowledge regarding whether the hours will count here or not.
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Message 7600 - Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 16:30:57 UTC

I've switched on Compositegrid on a machine which has picked up a bunch of genefer tasks. Will let you know if there are any issues at all.

If I get hours then bonus, but if I don't that's ok also.

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Message 7601 - Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 17:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 7598.
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The problem with random, unaffiliated, users coming in en-masse is that we don't get any feedback. Just running the tasks doesn't help us any; we need to hear from you about your experience. Sometimes the output in the task is good enough, but often we want *your* feedback, not just the app's. The app can't tell us if it's causing screen lag, for example.

I already mentioned that in the original thread, but I can repeat that here:
I still don't understand why you/resp. the new team let the project open to the "public" the whole time instead of using invitation code or something similar and only invite users who can provide feedback if you only want that. Isn't that possible?
If not - probably because it's tied to PG somehow - just invent something to do so, that should be possible somehow...
As a former ATA I would have liked to do testing, but because of several reasons too long to explain (and some were already mentioned) I for myself cut CompositeGrid off my list a long time ago. I don't do it anymore.
It may change in the future but the whole thing needs to be cleared somehow first.

I have no knowledge regarding whether the hours will count here or not.

They are counted here, since over a year again I guess. The apps are all visible in the "New/intermittent apps"-thread - and if you check a few users here they do have hours of course.
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Message 7602 - Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 18:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 7601.

...just invent something to do so, that should be possible somehow...

The first step has already been made - only new versions of applications are available for testing from the whole list.

If admin limit the active tasks to the CPU core and/or the daily quota - then the excessive load on the server from the "an mass" clients will be removed.
(the usual situation for a new application - the client is scared typing tasks for a couple of months).

And also the project has (almost) a stable list of applications. Only new versions are rare enough.
This is not a Gaia project with new applications every day. Which ended before they appeared in statistics. ;)

And for feedback, just define (leave) a couple of branches of the forum - announcements and reports.
Now there is just a double of the main forum

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Message 7603 - Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 18:31:17 UTC

Genefer 3.3.5 is now in production, so I'll be shutting off the dev server shortly.

We still need to test the Mac version, if we can find any testers, so once the one-by-one testing is done, I may open up dev again for the Mac app_versions.

Thanks for the feedback!
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Message 7604 - Posted: 4 Dec 2020, 18:52:31 UTC

Should I abort the jobs I have downloaded ?

As for Mac, zombie67 may be able to help you. He has a bunch of macs, at least he used to. He did send me an iMac a few years ago that I could probably fire up, but it's old and slow.

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