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Message 6648 - Posted: 23 Apr 2019, 2:39:28 UTC

Created an account and password manager generated the typical 32 character PW and signed in. Seems normal.
Got called away for an hour before attaching a computer and finally try to attach a computer and get "login failed" at BOINC Mgr. Was logged into the website still, changed the preferences, and logged out for it was bedtime.

Next day, couldn't log in to the website and their PW reset system is broken. I created a second account and everything went as before including the failure to connect to BOINC but this time I tried immediately.
Since I was still logged into the website with the 2nd account, changed the password to a 6 character simple word and BOINC connected with that PW but received the error:
"4/22/2019 9:12:27 PM | Gerasim@home | Invalid request received. Cannot load request into xml-document. The 'venue' start tag on line 161 position 4 does not match the end tag of 'global_preferences'. Line 187, position 3."

"Maybe the website can't handle 32 characters?" thought I.
Shortened the PW in 2 character increments and finally BOINC connected on the 1st account with the first 20 characters of 32 in the original PW, but the same error as above: "Invalid request received. Cannot load request into xml-document."

The final twist to this little tale is that the shortened passwords that got me connected in BOINC manager won't let me log into either of my website accounts.
So locked out of both accounts now.

Waiting on response from the first two admins in the contact list.

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Message 6649 - Posted: 23 Apr 2019, 15:16:59 UTC

Gerasim is the only Windows-based BOINC project I'm aware of. Everything about the website had to be ported from Linux to a Windows equivalent. As such, it's got a very different "look-and-feel" to it, and it's also a unique beast under the hood.

Don't be surprised if things there work differently than they do elsewhere.

"Why is this website different from all other websites?" (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
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Message 6650 - Posted: 24 Apr 2019, 9:26:10 UTC

Gerasim Einstein are very similar, it took me a long time to figure out my way around both Projects ...

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Message 6651 - Posted: 25 Apr 2019, 9:07:04 UTC - in response to Message 6650.
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Gerasim Einstein are very similar, it took me a long time to figure out my way around both Projects ...


It's not anything usual. Einstein didn't refuse to use my 32 character PW when trying to log back in or truncate it to 20 characters at the BOINC Mgr.

Gerasim's PW reset mechanism is broken and I'm locked out and the admins aren't responding. I'll try sending the next requests in Russian.

One more odd thing:
Archive.Org hasn't been able to archive their forums since Nov 2018 and I can't see their forums, even from a proxy.

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Message 6653 - Posted: 25 Apr 2019, 13:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 6651.

One more odd thing:
Archive.Org hasn't been able to archive their forums since Nov 2018 and I can't see their forums, even from a proxy.


Their forums appear to be broken, or at least inaccessible.
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Message 6668 - Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 10:41:20 UTC

Sent an IMTranslated English->Russian email and got this response:

Hello!

You need to move your global preferences to some modern project. Error with xml-request connected with wrong xml-structure for old BOINC servers that are still working...


Best regards, Eduard I. Vatutin
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So he's politely telling me to go to a more modern BOINC project?

One laptop (BOINC 7.8.3) is connected, although without an admin's help resetting my site password, I'll never be able to log in to change preferences.
Maybe downgrading that laptop's BOINC version to 6.x.x would allow it to get some work.

Is anyone else able to get WU's on BOINC 7.14.x?

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Message 6669 - Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 11:14:58 UTC - in response to Message 6668.
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So he's politely telling me to go to a more modern BOINC project?


It sounds like he's telling you to set up your global preferences at a more modern project. Global preferences, being, well, global, are effective no matter which project you use to set them up.

Unfortunately, that isn't going to fix your problem. It's entire possible something got lost in translation.

You may be out of luck there. You're correct in thinking that you need Gerasim's admin's help to fix this.

EDIT: I'm dubious that what he suggests will work, but maybe I'm wrong. You could try going to, say, Einstein, changing your global preferences on that site (aka "computing preferences" - not the "project preferences"), do an update on your computer, and then try to connect to Gerasim again. I don't think it will work, but that's what he suggested, so you might as well try it.

Is anyone else able to get WU's on BOINC 7.14.x?


Yes, I did.
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Message 6670 - Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 12:56:37 UTC

I used to get that error at a project that did not have the Default/Home/School/Work standard locations and my WCG global preferences was set to use one of them. Either deleting the global pref xml file on my PC or changing WCG to use the same locations would fix it. At least temporarily. PG has some other locations, is that your Global Pref project?

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Message 6671 - Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 15:53:53 UTC - in response to Message 6670.
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I used to get that error at a project that did not have the Default/Home/School/Work standard locations and my WCG global preferences was set to use one of them. Either deleting the global pref xml file on my PC or changing WCG to use the same locations would fix it. At least temporarily. PG has some other locations, is that your Global Pref project?


Looks like WCG (the project that revels in being the most non-standard BOINC project...) wrote the latest local global_prefs.xml on this laptop connected to Gerasim.
source_project>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/</source_project>


Renamed that file to global_prefs.xml.wgc, told BOINC to reload config files then pressed update on Gerasim.
Newly created global_prefs.xml file reads:
<source_project>http://gerasim.boinc.ru/</source_project>


AND the project d/led work!!!!
It's even is going to the correct CPID!

http://gerasim.boinc.ru/users/viewResults.aspx?userid=14122

It sounds like he's telling you to set up your global preferences at a more modern project. .<snip>. It's entire possible something got lost in translation.


So, it seems, what was mistranslated was that I should delete the global prefs created by a more modern project and let Gerasim create the new global prefs. Because, essentially, that is all I did.


Thanks to both of you for the clues to get this working.


I'll probably never be able to log back in or change preferences server side, but might just get 100 hours on their 4 WU's.
EDIT: Looks like I did adjust preferences there initially because the project resource share is set to 0 for minimal work d/l. Always handy for some project like nanoHUB that sent 1200+ WU's down at default resource 100.

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Message 6720 - Posted: 8 Jun 2019, 6:34:28 UTC
Last modified: 8 Jun 2019, 6:34:52 UTC

Yes, WCG and gerasim have incompatible global preferences. Don't run them at the same time, and better yet, unsubscribe from one before adding the other. And always clean your global preferences from a neutral project in between. A minor change to the global preferences at that neutral site, such as going from 1 day to 1.1 day of work will be sufficient.
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