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1) Message boards : Number crunching : Detaching from project (Message 6981)
Posted 29 Dec 2019 by Profile Cruncher Pete
I no longer wish to support this projects. I tried to detach using BoincStats Projects and individually selected detach from this project. What should I do to detach from this project? I am still upset for calling us a cheat for using Multiboinc methods, whilst the project concerned welcomes such effort..
2) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5776)
Posted 17 Nov 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
I guess I am just a bit dumb. By the answers I got to what I thought was a simple question turned out to be more complicated than I thought.

I did ask Sebastien to post his rules on the front page for everyone to see but I guess he is too busy to do that or he might not even have a rule since it has been changed a few times.
3) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5760)
Posted 16 Nov 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
WuProp does not limit the number of Monkeys app instances you wish to run per host.
WuProp does limit the number of WuProp app instances you are permitted to run per host. Which has been clearly defined previously in this thread.


That was not my question. I am confused between Total Projects and or Total apps. Please do not confuse me further. (If you can not answer the question than please do not reply.)

Because the policy has been changed at least three times, I do not want to be accused of cheating again. Therefore I would appreciate a figure of how many instances of goofyxgridathome applications and perhaps two other projects can I run on my 56 core machine preferably from Sebastien the project Admin..
4) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5755)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
I wish to utilize the maximum use of my machines but I am still not sure just how many nci apps I can run without penalty.

Please confirm how many instances of 4 applications that is currently issued by nci.goofyxgridathome on my 56 core machine. Based on that reply I will adjust my other machines according to the number of cores they have.
5) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5450)
Posted 17 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
I have now reattached to WuProp because I realize that by demanding I put myself in the same boat as Sebastien and the issue of abuse, cheating and use of Multiple Clients should be addressed much more positively. It is clear to me that the issue is not yet resolved for by reading this thread all I see is confusion, guessing and uncertainty.

Therefore, instead of demanding, I request that the following points be either clarified or addressed by the self appointed title of "Dictator", Sebastien. It would be nice for users of this project to know the policy of WuProp at a convenient place. Please prepare your policy once you have come to a final decision and place it in the Front Page News area for all to see.

1. What is wrong with the legitimate use of Multiple Clients? Expect more debate on this for it is part of the Boinc Software issued by Boinc Devs.

2. Why do you call users of Multiple Client cheats or at best abusing the system, when use of such option is available to all users.?

3. I am not sure if I understand your policy that has been changed twice in one week. The latest in Message 5408 which states: "If the number of multiple instances running on a host exceeds number of cores the host will be banished from WUProp." My host ID:135930 has 56 processors for example, therefore I interpret that I can run 56 instances of a project. Since using the interpretation of GCC Admin, he is running four Monkey NCI projects i.e 56 x 4 = 224 instances is my limit with this one host. Is this correct? I am asking this because you are forcing me to set up 26 computers mostly Xeon processors that needs to be set up individually causing a lot of time to do so.(That's my problem not yours).

4. Within this post titled Grid Computing Center you have stated in message: 5394 that the Radioactive and QCN projects will be closed within a week unless cheating is stopped. Please explain how users of those projects expected to know your policy that is written in a Message Post titled Grid Computing Center. You have not even explained what you consider cheating is, how do they expect that to know. May I suggest that you rectify this by posting that in the News Section for all to see. I might be retired but it would be impossible even for me to read every post in every message board every day in all Boinc Projects to find what their policy is..

My apologies Sebastien for my Demands for I should have simmered down before replying. In my old age I am getting rather abrupt and straight forward and I never did like politically correct terminology that has no meaning or hides the truth at best.
6) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5443)
Posted 16 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
Project has blocked many of user instances running GCC, WUprop and FiND@Home/Enigma@Home, probably because FiND/Enigma are not generating work recently.
So I have disconnected WUprop but if this is the new rule. Maybe ALL USERS might do "strike" against this project. And if you want to close it, that's your right as you're "the boss".

You run 8 clients on an Athlon 5350 (4 cores). So I blocked 4 instances.


Back to the start. Please tell us where does it say that the BOINC Manager that has the option to use Multiple clients is illegal to use. It is available to all users, the choice is theirs and I have not heard of any complaint from any projects that they do not want too many cores working for them. Any machine will only crunch 100% efficiently as their cores will allow. In the above case 4 cores will only use at best 50% of the cores. By using Multiple Clients and adding an additional 4 clients the machine is quite happy and the project will receive double the original output. Please consider the benefits and if you need help solving the issue perhaps discuss it with the BOINC Devs. In my case, it does not matter for I have already detached from this project. However the users should be told the reason why you are doing this. To date you have not done so or answered any question regarding it. I think what they would like to hear is why is it wrong to use Multiple Clients.
7) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5441)
Posted 16 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
Project has blocked many of user instances running GCC, WUprop and FiND@Home/Enigma@Home, probably because FiND/Enigma are not generating work recently.
So I have disconnected WUprop but if this is the new rule. Maybe ALL USERS might do "strike" against this project. And if you want to close it, that's your right as you're "the boss".


It would be interesting to find out why he blocked Enigma. A few days ago they released new GPU apps and I am crunching them right now. Unfortunately, he has no time to inform users why he is doing it. After all, it is his project and he can do what he likes. What you need users for it only creates work for him. Do as you are told and don't ask questions is his motto..
8) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5427)
Posted 15 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete


I hold Sebastien responsible for my demise and demand that he apologize for I have not abused the system and I am not a cheat. I have every right to defend myself for I have used a legitimate tool at my disposal that is available to all therefore it can't be called cheating or abuse.


I can only shake my head at this.


For a bit of fun. @ Bok. Since I am not sure what is your country of origin and I can not see you shaking your head, one could assume that you are in complete agreement with me. According to the Dictionary, in particular the last paragraph:

to shake one's head (third-person singular simple present shakes one's head, present participle shaking one's head, simple past shook one's head, past participle shaken one's head)
To move one's head from side to side, in a repeated swiveling motion from the neck, to indicate disagreement, negation, disbelief, disapproval or dismay.  [quotations ▼]
(less common) To move one's head up and down, in a repeated hinge-like motion from the top of the spine, to indicate agreement, affirmation, approval, or simply polite attentiveness.  [quotations ▼]
Usage notes[edit]
A relatively quick head movement from side to side indicates an emphatic "no," while a slower motion tends to indicate disbelief or dismay.
A relatively quick head movement up and down indicates an emphatic "yes," while a slower motion tends to indicate attentiveness.
In some countries, for example in Bulgaria and Sri Lanka, the meanings are reversed: i.e. a movement side to side means "yes" and a movement up and down means "no"
9) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5426)
Posted 15 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete


I hold Sebastien responsible for my demise and demand that he apologize for I have not abused the system and I am not a cheat. I have every right to defend myself for I have used a legitimate tool at my disposal that is available to all therefore it can't be called cheating or abuse.


I can only shake my head at this.


I do not believe this. Why can't I defend myself for I have done nothing wrong yet I am told that I am abusing the system and inferring that I am a cheat. The Admin on GridComputing Center has stated that he is 99.9 percent happy with people using Multiple Clients. If I follow their policy, I will not get credit for it here. Please tell me where can I read up on the use of Multiple Clients where it states that we will abuse the system by its use. Surely, it is up to individual project to accept or reject its use. To tell me that I am a cheat by using it is not acceptable to me. You BOK all all people should realize that in your own Team where you are called Ambassador its use is openly encouraged and I have no doubt that those in that team with High credits have used it. I am sure you would not accept it if you were told that they are all cheats and abused the system.

I think it is about time we stopped and closed this thread. Let us accept that there are people who are sensitive and do not like a project or its manager who haphazardly creates rules to suit himself at the expense of innocent users. By creating rules contrary to projects policies that he supports and threatens all users that unless the cheating stops in two weeks time a couple of projects will be deleted from his project. Why do innocent users should suffer. Why is the policy changed in the middle of the game and not earlier. Surely it was obvious that some users accumulated a massive number of hours months ago. Now I have no chance to ever catch up to them.

At least I am happy that I still have a choice to support WUprop or disconnect from it. I chose the later.
10) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5420)
Posted 14 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete


Sebastien has every right to run his system any way he wishes it, but he has no right to dictate what I can or cannot do on another project undermining their goals.


Pete, this is a direct contradiction within the same sentence. Seb is not dictating what you can or cannot do on another project at all, just using his right to not record those efforts on HIS project, which you are agreeing he has the right to do.


Let me clarify my statement by simplifying. I have no objection if Seb tells us that he is not going to give credits/hours worked for any projects in his own project for that is his prerogative weather I like it or not. What I am objecting is his DICTATORIAL attitude and accusation that we are abusing the system and in deed we are cheaters because we were using a perfectly legitimate tool i.e Multiple Clients available to all in BOINC Manager. I can live with the fact that he has moved the goal post during the game in such a way that it is now impossible to challenge any of the players who have accumulated large credits/hours ahead of me. I have no right of accusing them for ABUSING the system or are CHEATERS because they used MUltiple Clients. I maintain that neither has Seb the right to do that and he should apologize for using such hurtful and abusive language without justification and to tell us that unless the cheaters stop in the next two weeks some projects will be stopped. If that is not a DICTATORIAL attitude than my teachers mislead me. Why are innocent people who use these projects are being threatend by closure because in his eyes there are some users cheating. Why don't he just warn those who are PROVED to cheat? It is because because he could not be bothered and has no time to waste on cheaters, it is much easier to punish the innocent.

I hold Sebastien responsible for my demise and demand that he apologize for I have not abused the system and I am not a cheat. I have every right to defend myself for I have used a legitimate tool at my disposal that is available to all therefore it can't be called cheating or abuse.
11) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5404)
Posted 14 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
Guys, for those of you that defended Seb, I have no issues with. However I wish to defend my integrity for I am not a cheat. I say again, using options available in BOINC Manager I am legally entitled to use the option of Multiple Clients. It is available to all equally. GCC accepts this as well. For an Admin of another project to threaten users using it and calling it cheating is not acceptable to me. Furthermore, GCC in its forms have been running for months and a lot users have already achieved large credits. To move the Goalpost in the middle of the game is unfair to those who wish to challenge those top users and by using a single client for a host it is now impossible to achieve.

Sebastien has every right to run his system any way he wishes it, but he has no right to dictate what I can or cannot do on another project undermining their goals.

I have paid thousands of Dollars for my equipment and $800.00 a months for electricity. I will not accept that I am a cheater or even a user who abused the system by using legally available options. I am hurt and therefor I exercised my right and detached from his project. I am even considering giving up BOINC altogether for this kind of unfair chops and changes by Admins is certainly not conducive to good management of BOINC overall.
12) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5398)
Posted 14 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
I can't accept that statement to be your legitimate reason for dictating to the users what they can or can not crunch. Surely, if the project is happy with 99.9 percent of users submission (as stated by the Admin of gridcomputingcenter two days ago) why do you wish to tell the users not to crunch their projects with all their resources and just limit your input to just one client, one host, otherwise they will not get hours recognition for them. Surely you are blackbanning the project by placing restrictions on their use. As regards your restriction to run one client per host. BOINC Client/Manager allows multiple BOINC Clients to run concurrently. This is to utilize 100% of the CPU. All projects accept this accept you. I will not run my machines capacity at some ..% when I can set it to run a number of Wu's at 100% thereby helping the project. May I suggest that if this is not satisfactory to you than you should take it up with the BOINC Management Team and perhaps restrict all users input to just a single CPU. Backward thinking if I ever saw one. You will do us a favor not to waste our money on better and better equipment and it will also reduce the cost of electricity and waste of time`.

I had enough of this and am exercising my right to cancel my membership on WuProp. I will not accept an Admin dictating to me what I can or can not run on another project. I am offended by your insinuation that I am a cheater by running Multiple Clients which is a legal option under BOINC Manager. Your system is full of bugs and instead of attempting to fix it you blame it on your users and calling them cheats. Please tell me what I need to do to ensure that WUProp badges are removed from my signature.
13) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5394)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
Same users are also cheating by running Radioactive or QCN projects without sensors. So either they stop cheating before next week, either project will be closed.
I can't spent many hours to detect cheaters.


This is getting worse and worse. Personally it does not apply to me for I have not crunched any of those projects for a long time. I do posses a sensor for Radioactive and I have never crunched QCN. I do have to question what do you consider the be cheating. I can prove to you that if I legitimately log into Radioactive and my sensor is not connected I will not get credit for it, yet WuProp will grant hours worked for the time. Do you not think that it is your project that is at fault?

If you "can't spent many hours to detect cheaters" than make sure that the people you consider cheaters are in deed cheaters and it is not your projects buggy system.

Please prove to me/us who are the cheaters and stop using the legitimate users by threatening the closure of the project and stop threatening others who are acting within the BOINC software options by exercising their legal rights to use MUltiple BOINC Clients on their machines. It is time that Project Managers recognize just how much money it costs to build a number of machines for BOINC use and the cost of electricity that we need to run those costly machines. Whilst I admit there will likely to be cheaters in he system, I am offended by suggesting that some projects will close because of that, disappointing all of us..
14) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5393)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
Please clarify this for I do not believe that you are penalizing me for using all cores of my machines to crunch Grid Computing Center WU's only on my machines. I have paid considerable sums of money to purchase my Xeon CPU's, some running 76 cores, some 56 and others 24. Are you telling me to cut back using these machines utilizing them to their full capacity? I do not beleive this is what is intended to crunch BOINC projects. If my machines crunch these projects legitimately than why am I not getting the hours for it? GCU have not mentioned anything to me or others that we are crunching too many WU's for their liking. Perhaps you might care to suggest where I might be able to purchase single core CPU's.

There is no problem if you run one client per host. Hours will be counted.
There was a problem with some users which ran until 100 clients per hosts.

Same users are also cheating by running Radioactive or QCN projects without sensors. So either they stop cheating before next week, either project will be closed.
I can't spent many hours to detect cheaters.


I can't accept that statement to be your legitimate reason for dictating to the users what they can or can not crunch. Surely, if the project is happy with 99.9 percent of users submission (as stated by the Admin of gridcomputingcenter two days ago) why do you wish to tell the users not to crunch their projects with all their resources and just limit your input to just one client, one host, otherwise they will not get hours recognition for them. Surely you are blackbanning the project by placing restrictions on their use. As regards your restriction to run one client per host. BOINC Client/Manager allows multiple BOINC Clients to run concurrently. This is to utilize 100% of the CPU. All projects accept this accept you. I will not run my machines capacity at some ..% when I can set it to run a number of Wu's at 100% thereby helping the project. May I suggest that if this is not satisfactory to you than you should take it up with the BOINC Management Team and perhaps restrict all users input to just a single CPU. Backward thinking if I ever saw one. You will do us a favor not to waste our money on better and better equipment and it will also reduce the cost of electricity and waste of time`.

Finally, if you can't spend many hours detecting cheaters, may I suggest that you stop being a policeman and just attend to your own project. Policing and interpretation of what is considered cheating is up to individual projects to determine. They all have their options and means to detect and police their own. May I ask why do you consider cheating by running Radioactive or QCN project without a sensor? why should it be a concern to WuProp?. Surely, it is a project problem and it should be fixed by them. Why are they giving credit in the first place, if users do not meet the requirement. I do not call that cheating. For example, I often run all available BOINC projects and let BOINC Manager handle it. Why are those projects listed and available if they meet special needs. Surely, if I do not meet their requirement they should not download a WU to me and give me credit for completing a WU legitimately. I object being told what to crunch and how much resources I should allocate to a project.
15) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5391)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
Because of some participants who abused by multiplying clients which run only Grid computing center, workunits from those clients will be invalid. No hours will be counted.


I still need clarification that I do not understand. I have a number of Xeon CPU systems and a number of Raspberry Pi machines all running only Grid Computing center. According to your statement they will be invalid and hours will not be counted, because I am only running them on gridcomputer center.. Why am I being disciminated by not giving me credits. A number of other systems run gridcomputing center and other projects and you will credit those? The Admin of GridComputing center states that he is satisfied with 99.9% of users submission, why are you different?
16) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5389)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
The Project Administrator Of GridComputing Center {BOINC@Poland]goofyx stated the following on his website on 12 July:

"It's strage... maybe WUProp change their rules, but it's not fair for 99,9% crunchers.
On GG@H I have maybe 2 user with really masiive rigs for multi boinc but it was for 3 weeks.


ps.: Monkeys has 4 NCI apps so you can get 4*24h=96hour per day per computer."

Whilst you have all the right in the world to grant whatever hours you wish on your project, you are undermining the Gridcomputercenter project by telling their users not to use all their resources on that project alone, thereby favoring other sites.

I ask why do you penalize users with large number of powerfull machines to crunch any BOINC projects.?
17) Message boards : News : Grid computing center (Message 5388)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Cruncher Pete
Please clarify this for I do not believe that you are penalizing me for using all cores of my machines to crunch Grid Computing Center WU's only on my machines. I have paid considerable sums of money to purchase my Xeon CPU's, some running 76 cores, some 56 and others 24. Are you telling me to cut back using these machines utilizing them to their full capacity? I do not beleive this is what is intended to crunch BOINC projects. If my machines crunch these projects legitimately than why am I not getting the hours for it? GCU have not mentioned anything to me or others that we are crunching too many WU's for their liking. Perhaps you might care to suggest where I might be able to purchase single core CPU's.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : News of Projects and Apps Starting and Ending... (Message 3588)
Posted 10 Jan 2016 by Profile Cruncher Pete
From time to time I receive RSS feeds that a certain project is active. The problem is that I either can not find information about the project (?New) or the project has retired more than 12 months ago and the website is no longer active.

The latest such info is about a projecct called Reliable. Where do I find info on this project? If at all possible, it would be appreciated if the link to the sites be listed weather it is current, new or old.

OK. I just read some info posted by other menbers about this project. The problem still exist. Why are we sent an RSS without a URL. Is it just for a few priviledged users that have some prior knowledge than if that is so, why are we not being told about the URL?


Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit per Work Unit lowered (Message 237)
Posted 19 May 2010 by Profile Cruncher Pete
I have a WU that has been running for 92 hours. I am concerned that if I stop it now, I have wasted all those hours. As it is, 92 hours equates to $15.00 of Electricity cost for me. If I only get 50 points for this, Is it worth crunching?




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