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 skgiven     Send message Joined: 7 Sep 10 Posts: 453 Credit: 945,109 RAC: 0 |
Not content with continuous false reports of new apps, and no fix. The problem was reported and an admin side fix was suggested but not implemented. This is the volunteer 'fix': The application SubsetSum@Home Sum Calculator from project Citizen Science Grid is active - NOT! Tasks ready to send 0 Tasks in progress 0 https://csgrid.org/csg/server_status.php |
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The scientist involved is also leaving so there's no one to even look at the data if there were WUs. |
Steve Hawker*    Send message Joined: 31 Oct 12 Posts: 125 Credit: 655,634 RAC: 0 |
The application Nanosized surfaces modeling from project nanosurface@home is active Site is actually dead so another false report of intermittent work |
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Applications are reported as active based on the information in a reported WUProp task. I'm guessing that the WUProp server flags an application as inactive when no host has reported any work done for it within a given period of time. Slow hosts (particularly those which only run BOINC for short periods) can have tasks which timed out on the project server many days ago and because BOINC doesn't need to report or request work the host doesn't know that the task has been cancelled. Any work done on such a task will cause application time to be reported to WUProp, which the server interprets as the application becoming active. "The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world that it leaves to its children." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer |
Pete Broad    Send message Joined: 5 Jul 10 Posts: 80 Credit: 12,557,937 RAC: 3,795 |
Applications are reported as active based on the information in a reported WUProp task. Good point. However, I think that some projects are flagged as permanently inactive, here's why. A few days ago I fixed an old laptop that hadn't run since 2013 and there were 2 very old incompleted WU's, one of which was FreeHal, the other an old WCG unit. Both ran to completion and showed up in my hours but neither of them triggered as an active project. Pete  
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Steve Hawker* Send message Joined: 31 Oct 12 Posts: 125 Credit: 655,634 RAC: 0 |
Pete Broad said: A few days ago I fixed an old laptop that hadn't run since 2013 and there were 2 very old incompleted WU's, one of which was FreeHal, the other an old WCG unit. Both ran to completion and showed up in my hours but neither of them triggered as an active project. I'm currently running an inactive app. It hasn't been triggered as active. I'm accumulating hours. I recently got a laptop back after La Red Trapa Sismos had been declared inactive. On restarting BOINC I found a new task. It ran but did not trigger as active. I got hours for it too. Sure the notifications are useful for app chasers but there are just as many false reports as there are real ones. Nanosurf, FreeHal and others where the host site no longer exists are particularly insane. Thyme Lawn said: Any work done on such a task will cause application time to be reported to WUProp, which the server interprets as the application becoming active. This cannot be the case as Pete and I have just demonstrated. |
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skgiven Send message Joined: 7 Sep 10 Posts: 453 Credit: 945,109 RAC: 0 |
The following apps are from development projects and are not for most crunchers. These tend to be closed projects; devs only:
The application Sixtrack Simulation from project vLHCathome-dev is active |
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skgiven Send message Joined: 7 Sep 10 Posts: 453 Credit: 945,109 RAC: 0 |
The application Sierpinski / Riesel Base - long from project SRBase is active Boinc Manager says,
SRBase Server says, |
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Steve Hawker* Send message Joined: 31 Oct 12 Posts: 125 Credit: 655,634 RAC: 0 |
The following apps are from development projects and are not for most crunchers. These tend to be closed projects; devs only: vLHCathome-dev is pretty much open to all. |
Conan    Send message Joined: 28 Mar 10 Posts: 588 Credit: 1,220,883 RAC: 237 |
The application Sierpinski / Riesel Base - long from project SRBase is active These tasks are taking weeks to get through, some are being reported with well over 100 hours and up to 200 hours, so there must be some real slow computers out there running these long tasks. I think only about 5 have been returned in the last week. The other thing that can be happening is that the work units are timing out and get sent back, then reissued. This constitutes a user reporting back to the server but no actual work has been completed so the number of work units stays the same. As this generates no hours then WUProp does not report activity for that application. So if a lot of work units over a period of time keep getting downloaded then left till they time out it can be quite a while before the project reports an active result when someone finally returns a completed work unit. Conan |
[AF>WildWildWest] Sébastie...   Send message Joined: 28 Mar 10 Posts: 2871 Credit: 538,769 RAC: 133 |
I changed the algorithm. Hope it will be better. 
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skgiven Send message Joined: 7 Sep 10 Posts: 453 Credit: 945,109 RAC: 0 |
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DoctorNow      Send message Joined: 7 Apr 10 Posts: 224 Credit: 461,423 RAC: 0 |
The application cmsearch VM (VirtualBox) 1.0.2 from project RNA World is active Well, if you ever tried to run RNA then you know that the project is something special. You have to consider this: Tasks in progress 192 These tasks tend to take VERY LONG to complete (3 months is nothing!) - if they do at all. But mostly they don't and end up as a resend, and that was probably the trigger for this message. And that's also the only chance to get a task if you have luck. It took me at least two or three months the first time until I finally got one of those monsters, but it didn't last very long until it failed. I'm now having the third task on one of my hosts and it is at 35 days - with only one wingman (out of thirtysomewhat) which could complete it with over 180 days... Life is Science, and Science rules. To the universe and beyond Member of BOINC@Heidelberg My BOINC-Stats 
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Steve Hawker* Send message Joined: 31 Oct 12 Posts: 125 Credit: 655,634 RAC: 0 |
The application SubsetSum@Home Sum Calculator from project Citizen Science Grid is active Oh no it isn't... http://csgrid.org/csg/forum_thread.php?id=2279&postid=6425#6425 |
Pooh Bear 27  Send message Joined: 22 Jan 13 Posts: 107 Credit: 805,633 RAC: 48 |
Sometimes projects sit idle on a computer being shut down because of many reasons (heat of summer, fault hardware, etc), then a project is crunched when it comes back up and time is counted. You cannot fault the administrator of this site for something like this happening. |
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DoctorNow Send message Joined: 7 Apr 10 Posts: 224 Credit: 461,423 RAC: 0 |
Sometimes projects sit idle on a computer being shut down because of many reasons (heat of summer, fault hardware, etc)... Well, tbh I'm wondering about that... CSG server status says, there are absolutely no WUs out in the field, so this seems rather illogical, especially since the page doesn't seem to be frozen when looking at the server time. In addition, it's not even a month ago (at the 7th of November) that SubsetSum was mentioned in the apps thread the first time. Either there someone is working on the app in the background or something is really weird here. ;-) Life is Science, and Science rules. To the universe and beyond Member of BOINC@Heidelberg My BOINC-Stats
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Steve Hawker* Send message Joined: 31 Oct 12 Posts: 125 Credit: 655,634 RAC: 0 |
Sometimes projects sit idle on a computer being shut down because of many reasons (heat of summer, fault hardware, etc), then a project is crunched when it comes back up and time is counted. You cannot fault the administrator of this site for something like this happening. I don't know that this is how it works. I had a La Trapa Sismos WU sat on a repaired Mac and months after the project went dead, I got my Mac back and started up. The WU did not trigger an appearance in the new / intermittent list and the application remained in the red. |
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skgiven Send message Joined: 7 Sep 10 Posts: 453 Credit: 945,109 RAC: 0 |
"The application Gravitational Wave search O1 all-sky R from project Einstein@Home is active" Server says NO: O1AS20-100R Oh well, |
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Steve Hawker* Send message Joined: 31 Oct 12 Posts: 125 Credit: 655,634 RAC: 0 |
"The application Gravitational Wave search O1 all-sky R from project Einstein@Home is active" If you were able to run some previous GW tasks then you're allowed into the club. Otherwise indeed, computer will say NO! |
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Steve Hawker* Send message Joined: 31 Oct 12 Posts: 125 Credit: 655,634 RAC: 0 |
The application La Red de Atrapa Sismos Continuo from project La Red de Atrapa Sismos Continuo is active The websites have disappeared so both these projects are dead |
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