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Message 10405 - Posted: 6 Jan 2024, 9:42:26 UTC

We can just add hundreds of clients w/o actually have a device now?

A user with hundreds of clients. 7.7k hours would require 320+ devices.
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Message 10406 - Posted: 6 Jan 2024, 11:45:27 UTC - in response to Message 10405.  

We can just add hundreds of clients w/o actually have a device now?

A user with hundreds of clients. 7.7k hours would require 320+ devices.
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YES as long as you are crunching the task, however long that takes the hours get counted. It's not about the Science in this case it's about the hours. They stopped this for awhile but now it's back on again, so if those numbers are yours get it up to 50k hours before they shut it down again.

Part of the problem could be that it's really hard to get a Detector and they cost more than most people want to spend when you can get one.
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Message 10407 - Posted: 6 Jan 2024, 13:50:47 UTC

A few years ago, I introduced a limitation on multiple clients for same host. Users was complaining about this. So I removed it.
Look what's happening when there are no limitations.
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Message 10408 - Posted: 6 Jan 2024, 21:25:39 UTC - in response to Message 10406.  

We can just add hundreds of clients w/o actually have a device now?

A user with hundreds of clients. 7.7k hours would require 320+ devices.
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YES as long as you are crunching the task, however long that takes the hours get counted. It's not about the Science in this case it's about the hours. They stopped this for awhile but now it's back on again, so if those numbers are yours get it up to 50k hours before they shut it down again.

Part of the problem could be that it's really hard to get a Detector and they cost more than most people want to spend when you can get one.


They have no device, get no credit at Radioactive and are not really doing anything. This is not the same as running multiple NCI tasks/clients on the same PC. A GQ GMC-300S is available for $68 from Amazon, not hard to get.
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Message 10409 - Posted: 7 Jan 2024, 12:26:01 UTC - in response to Message 10408.  

We can just add hundreds of clients w/o actually have a device now?

A user with hundreds of clients. 7.7k hours would require 320+ devices.
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YES as long as you are crunching the task, however long that takes the hours get counted. It's not about the Science in this case it's about the hours. They stopped this for awhile but now it's back on again, so if those numbers are yours get it up to 50k hours before they shut it down again.

Part of the problem could be that it's really hard to get a Detector and they cost more than most people want to spend when you can get one.


They have no device, get no credit at Radioactive and are not really doing anything. This is not the same as running multiple NCI tasks/clients on the same PC. A GQ GMC-300S is available for $68 from Amazon, not hard to get.


A year ago I went to their website and they said they had no clue when they would be available again, if ever. I guess they found someone to make them again. Back then used ones were over $500US. I'm glad they have a supplier now!!
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Message 10410 - Posted: 7 Jan 2024, 13:05:23 UTC - in response to Message 10409.  

It's just some other detector made to work with BOINC.
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Message 10411 - Posted: 7 Jan 2024, 17:15:47 UTC - in response to Message 10407.  

A few years ago, I introduced a limitation on multiple clients for same host. Users was complaining about this. So I removed it.
Look what's happening when there are no limitations.

This limitations should come back, there's no reason to run more than one instance of a serious NCI application. NCI is monitoring something, no reason to monitor same thing hundreds of times. If it makes any sense to run an NCI application more than once at a time, it's up to the project admins to set up a reasonable amount of applications.
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Message 10415 - Posted: 8 Jan 2024, 11:52:51 UTC
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I bought a detector some time ago, never have been able to get it to work though ... The Detectors working just not reporting anything back to the Radioactive Project for any Credits ...
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Message 10420 - Posted: 8 Jan 2024, 23:23:37 UTC - in response to Message 10411.  

A few years ago, I introduced a limitation on multiple clients for same host. Users was complaining about this. So I removed it.
Look what's happening when there are no limitations.


This limitations should come back, there's no reason to run more than one instance of a serious NCI application. NCI is monitoring something, no reason to monitor same thing hundreds of times. If it makes any sense to run an NCI application more than once at a time, it's up to the project admins to set up a reasonable amount of applications.


Ithena Measurements often sends several NCI tasks if you have them checked, so it kinda depends on what the preferences are at each Project that has them, generally I agree with you though.
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Message 10424 - Posted: 12 Jan 2024, 2:20:39 UTC - in response to Message 10407.  

A few years ago, I introduced a limitation on multiple clients for same host. Users was complaining about this. So I removed it.
Look what's happening when there are no limitations.


Once upon a time there were eight (!) different Quake Catcher Networks *projects*, that all required just one sensor, and could all be run -even simultaniously, being NCI- on the original single core Raspberry Pi.
They all had their own URL:
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Sensor Monitoring
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Continual Monitoring
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network EMSC / CSEM
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Continual EMSC / CSEM
    [*]La Red Atrapa de Sismos
    [*]La Red Atrapa de Sismos Continuo (offline)
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network (Taiwan)
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Continual (Taiwan)


Unfortunately for me the Raspberry Sense Hat was not that sensor, even though the main QCN had begun philosophizing about a new type of sensor that would made use use of the 40 GPIO pins instead of an USB connector.


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Message 10425 - Posted: 12 Jan 2024, 12:04:53 UTC - in response to Message 10424.  

Once upon a time there were eight (!) different Quake Catcher Networks *projects*, that all required just one sensor, and could all be run -even simultaniously, being NCI- on the original single core Raspberry Pi.
They all had their own URL:
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Sensor Monitoring
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Continual Monitoring
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network EMSC / CSEM
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Continual EMSC / CSEM
    [*]La Red Atrapa de Sismos
    [*]La Red Atrapa de Sismos Continuo (offline)
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network (Taiwan)
    [*]Quake-Catcher Network Continual (Taiwan)


Nothing wrong with running many different NCI applications from different projects (or even from the same project if they have more than one). The limits were targeting people running dozens or even hundreds of BOINC clients on the same computer, all running nothing else than same set of NCI apps.
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